STAFF EDITORIAL: Deleting Online Predators or Deleting Online Teens?

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by Larry Magid
August 1, 2006

Last week the House of Representatives passed a well-meaning but ill-conceived piece of Internet safety legislation that could actually make the Internet a more dangerous place for children and teens.

The Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA), approved Wednesday by an overwhelming margin of 410 to 15, now moves on to the Senate. While it's easy to understand why Congress would approve a bill like this, it is ill-conceived because, rather than "deleting" online predators, it deletes the ability of schools and libraries to determine whether kids can constructively take advantage of social networking and other interactive services that are extremely popular among teens. Maybe the law should be called DOTA (the Deleting Online Teenagers Act)?

As a bit of background, I've been working on Internet safety issues since 1993 when I wrote "Child Safety on the Information Highway" for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I'm on the board of that organization and I also run SafeKids.com and SafeTeens.com and am co-director of BlogSafety.com. BlogSafety is a not-for-profit project that derives funding from social networking sites, including those affected by this legislation.

The bill (H.R. 5319) amends the Communications Act of 1934 "to require recipients of universal service support for schools and libraries to protect minors from commercial social networking websites and chat rooms."

The legislation, said Tim Lordan, Executive Director of the Internet Education Foundation which advises U.S. lawmakers on technology, "lumps social networking sites and chat rooms with previously blocked sites that are obscene or contain child pornography, as if social networking was somehow the same as those horrendous sites."

The bill defines social networking sites as being "offered by a commercial entity; permits registered users to create an on-line profile that includes detailed personal information, permits registered users to create an on-line journal and share such a journal with other users; elicits highly-personalized information from users; and enables communication among users."

That covers more than just chat and social networking and could force school and library officials to ban a wide range of sites, including Amazon.com and many news sites that allow for user feedback and interaction.

But even if the bill weren't overly broad, it would still be troublesome because it is the wrong – and I would argue a dangerous approach – to Internet safety.

While nearly everyone agrees that Internet predators should be "deleted," this bill doesn't address that issue. Unlike the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, which the President signed into law on July 21, DOPA does nothing to strengthen penalties or increase prosecution of criminals who prey on children. Instead, it punishes the potential victims and educational institutions chartered to serve them, by denying access to interactive sites at school and libraries.

It would be like trying to protect children from being injured or killed by drunk drivers by ruling that kids can no longer walk, ride a bike or even ride in a car or bus to school.

Aside from punishing potential victims rather than the perpetrators, the bill doesn't even address the issue where it matters.

If children are going to get into trouble online, chances are it won't be at school. They'll be home, they'll be at a friend's house or they could even be completely away from adult supervision using their mobile phones. Schools and libraries are relatively protected environments where adults are never far away and, for the most part, computers are in public locations that make it difficult for users to hide what they're doing.

If anything, schools and libraries should be encouraging kids to use blogging and social networking services. They have enormous educational potential for such things as writing, interviewing, collaborative research, media literacy, and photography, but even if not used as part of a formal supervised education program, they encourage kids to communicate and reach out to others.

I don't know of a federal law that prohibits kids from playing football, soccer or basketball on school grounds even though there are cases of kids being hurt and killed in these activities. Instead, schools teach kids how to play these games as safely as possible and if a child is hurt, teachers and coaches reach out to help the child recover from the injury and prevent it from happening again.

Also, social networking sites can serve as a potential safety valve. As part of the research on "MySpace Unraveled: What it is and how to use it safely", a book I co-authored with Anne Collier - I spoke with John Draper of the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, who said that at-risk kids are increasingly using their online profiles "to in some ways convey they had suicidal intent."

Draper said that these sites have "the very real potential for saving lives because the first people to hear about kids at risk are other kids." His organization is setting up profiles on MySpace, Xanga and Facebook as a resource for teens.

The bill does exempt the use of social-networking sites or chat rooms for "an educational purpose with adult supervision," but it doesn't define what that means. Does that mean that an adult has to be with the child at all times? Do they have to be looking over a shoulder or just in the room?

And even if schools were to block such sites, it wouldn't stop kids who were determined to get access. To begin with, there are hundreds – potentially thousands – of social-networking sites in addition to the ones that school authorities (and companies that make filtering software) know about, and it's pretty easy to set up new ones from anywhere in the world.

I could even envision someone setting up "a non-commercial site" that would be exempt from this law in a foreign land with absolutely no accountability or safety procedures. Today's popular social-networking sites all make some effort to protect users. Many of them, including MySpace, Xanga, Bebo and Tagged, have dedicated security officers with a strong background in Internet safety and/or law enforcement.

There is also the question of whether the bill is dealing with a widespread problem. There clearly are a lot of potential predators out on the Internet in general, but we don't know whether there are a lot of victims.

Sting operations performed by law enforcement have lead to the arrest of numerous people who – if given the chance – would have sexual contact with children they meet online. But these operations involve an adult undercover officer who is posing as a child. The potential predator may think he's dealing with a kid, but he's really dealing with an adult cop.

So while we do know that adult predators are using the Internet to try to lure children, we don't know how many children are being lured, and we have no idea yet how many are on being approached on the social networks. This might be a good to know before legislation is passed.

Even if the number of cases of children being sexually molested by people they meet online is underreported, we are still talking about an extremely small percentage of the millions of kids and teens who are online.

What's more, when those few tragic situations do occur, in every case that we know about, the child went willingly to meet with the predator, and in most cases - according to a 2004 report from the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center (www.unh.edu/ccrc) - the children knew what they were getting into. Only 5% of the offenders tried to deceive their victims about being older adults and only 21% misrepresented their sexual motives, according to the report.

And then there is the issue of the real risk. What I'm about to say is facetious but based on real data. If the federal government wants to protect children from sexual predators, it would be better off banning kids from school, church, sports activities and being around their own families.

The fact is, again according to the Crimes Against Children Research Center, 70% to 90% of sexual abuse is committed by persons "known to the child." For girl victims, a third to one-half of the crimes are committed by family members. For boys it's between 10% and 20%.

I'm glad Congress is concerned with Internet safety but rather than pass DOPA, it ought to be funding campaigns to educate children, parents, and teachers on how to use the Internet safely - while giving the cops and prosecutors the resources they need to truly delete online predators.

-- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:25 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:26 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:28 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:29 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/30/2006 11:14 AM
Last Post Oct 30, 2006 4:27 PM by: son of liberty
son of liberty
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Re: STAFF EDITORIAL: Deleting Online Predators or Deleting Online Teens?

Oct 30, 2006 4:27 PM
Apparently you people aren't keeping up with your political satire. Have a look at George Orwell's Animal Farm

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When did parents get so irresponsible as to have people do their parenting for them? Are they so spineless as to not be able to confront their kids and have a talk? Why is it that crooked politicians can manipulate fear to destroy our rights (patriot act) and ruin what separates this great country from the countless others that simply block people from things to teach them? How have we let this happen?
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Oct 27, 2006 11:31 PM
Just remember, the government is ALWAYS right and we should never quetion it (sarcasm)


Comrade Napoleon is always right. All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

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When did parents get so irresponsible as to have people do their parenting for them? Are they so spineless as to not be able to confront their kids and have a talk? Why is it that crooked politicians can manipulate fear to destroy our rights (patriot act) and ruin what separates this great country from the countless others that simply block people from things to teach them? How have we let this happen?
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Aug 15, 2006 8:40 PM
Other sites re: Sexual Predators:

www.StopitNow.com
www.SataSort.org
Larry
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Aug 10, 2006 11:51 AM
Hiram,

Not really sure what assumption you say I'm making. As far as I know I got the bill down accurately. These bills are hard to decipher so there's always the possibility that either of us misread it but I'm pretty sure I got it right. As per enforcement, that's another issue. I think a bill like this would be very difficult to enforce.

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Hiram
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Aug 10, 2006 11:27 AM
I downloaded and printed the legislation recently passed by the House and found that the penalties were not really being greatly enforced in the past. Yet, it appeared to me that the future penalties are there.
As for the use by schools and libraries either I didn't read it very throughly or you are making assumptions based on what they did not say, rather than what the legislation does say. Either way, the losers are always going to be the kids.

Scott
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Aug 8, 2006 3:11 PM
Ginger, we just got a message from MySpace Customer Care that the group and moderator you reported have been deleted. Thanks to you and the alert member of your musicians group who caught that. You guys are doing great things. Tx again,
Anne
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Aug 7, 2006 3:03 PM
Mike,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I just deleted that link and noted that in the message. I'm sure she didn't mean to do anything offensive but you're right. A link to a page like that has no place in this forum.

Thanks

Larry Magid
Co-director
BlogSafety.com
Michael Goldberg
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Aug 7, 2006 1:23 PM
Hello:

I hate to say this, but maybe that link provided should be removed or not something that can be clicked on. I use a work computer and am monitored and I mistakenly clicked on that link.

I was not aware it was going to redirect me to what it did. While I think that turning those people in are a great idea, maybe removing the link would be a good idea for those that might mistakenly click on the link.

Mike
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Aug 7, 2006 11:53 AM
Thanks so much for the heads-up, Ginger. I've already passed along this info.
All best,
Anne
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Aug 5, 2006 11:02 AM
Hey Anne,

That's funny, the singer who reported it to me is named anne. So, she sent me this, this is the link to it. Apparently it's a web cam that if you click on it to "join" the group it takes you to a porn site. See below. If you could pass it on that would be great. We sent it to the "report a profile" So i am not sure if that's the ones to send it to. They don't have a "report a group" thingie.

So, here is the info she sent me. It's been going around bands i guess, seems like other bands have alerted me to it today. Thanks and thanks to my bands for being so diligent!

Hmmm ok - they have a link to report a profile for inappropriate content but not a group. I reported the profile that is running this group - they just set the group to private - so I did a name search for the group and there is another one close to the same name (the 1st one was called 'myspace cams' this second one is called 'free myspace cams' and on the 'free myspace cams' group if you click on the profile of the group owner (which I did to report him) it takes you offsite to a porn site. So I reported to MySpace customer service here is the letter I sent them:

I just reported a profile that had emailed a bunch of bands an invite to join a group on here called 'myspace cams' - which is a group all about hooking up with underage girls. Here is another group close the the same name that has the same picture that was up on the first group I reported. You guys have a link to report a profile - but not a group - so I'm doing it in this form. Here is this second group: LINK REMOVED BY BLOGSAFETY ADMIN

Also, if you click on the profile of the person who runs this group it takes you out of myspace into a porn site. If you click on the photos for this group it also takes you out of myspace into a porn site.

So, maybe together we can report them and get it removed! thanks anne! (both of ya)

Ginger
Back Alley

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Aug 4, 2006 8:54 PM
Hi, Ginger. Thanks for the heads-up. The only real reporting channel is through customercare@myspace.com, but we'll pass your message along too in case that helps. Best,
Anne
BlogSafety.com co-director
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Aug 4, 2006 7:43 PM
Hello Larry,

Long time no hear! It's been a while since i have checked out the site, wow what changes have been made! Looks great. Hey, I had a question about reporting people to myspace. One of my bands in my group-that I got together for you btw., informed me of a webcam group going around for younger girls for older men. How do we report this to myspace so that it gets checked out and deleted?

Thanks!

ginger
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Aug 2, 2006 10:57 AM
Thanks for your post, DrKris. Your Virtual Mystery Tour workshop sounds like something that should be nationwide (maybe you should have a virtual Virtual Mystery Tour on the the Web!). It is definitely challenging right now to take a balanced position on teen social networking. I think the Wired News piece about your work expresses both the positive (reassurance) and negative message (being alert to risks) that needs to go out: "[Dr. Gowen] reassures parents that if their kids have common sense and they trust them in other ways, they're probably going to be able to talk intelligently with parents about what they should and shouldn't do online. And she reminds us that teens, like adults, generally feel freer to express themselves online in a false sense of anonymity and safety, but they often don’t realize the potential consequences that over-sharing can have." I hope you have time to check in here every now and then.

Anne
BlogSafety co-director

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Aug 2, 2006 9:26 AM
Kudos to you Larry for this wonderful editorial. Slowly I am seeing more voices of reason getting media attention (I saw this on CBS News' site) when it comes to social networking. I hope your book is well received and read by any and all concerned parents.

I too have been interviewing youth about their MySpace pages. I consulted with a high school who actually used MySpace to teach teens HTML coding. This side of the story needs to come out more in order to balance out the panic that has emerged from this issue.

Thanks again,
Kris
www.virtualmysterytour.com
www.myspace.com/virtualmysterytour
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STAFF EDITORIAL: Deleting Online Predators or Deleting Online Teens?

Aug 1, 2006 3:16 PM


by Larry Magid
August 1, 2006

Last week the House of Representatives passed a well-meaning but ill-conceived piece of Internet safety legislation that could actually make the Internet a more dangerous place for children and teens.

The Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA), approved Wednesday by an overwhelming margin of 410 to 15, now moves on to the Senate. While it's easy to understand why Congress would approve a bill like this, it is ill-conceived because, rather than "deleting" online predators, it deletes the ability of schools and libraries to determine whether kids can constructively take advantage of social networking and other interactive services that are extremely popular among teens. Maybe the law should be called DOTA (the Deleting Online Teenagers Act)?

As a bit of background, I've been working on Internet safety issues since 1993 when I wrote "Child Safety on the Information Highway" for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I'm on the board of that organization and I also run SafeKids.com and SafeTeens.com and am co-director of BlogSafety.com. BlogSafety is a not-for-profit project that derives funding from social networking sites, including those affected by this legislation.

The bill (H.R. 5319) amends the Communications Act of 1934 "to require recipients of universal service support for schools and libraries to protect minors from commercial social networking websites and chat rooms."

The legislation, said Tim Lordan, Executive Director of the Internet Education Foundation which advises U.S. lawmakers on technology, "lumps social networking sites and chat rooms with previously blocked sites that are obscene or contain child pornography, as if social networking was somehow the same as those horrendous sites."

The bill defines social networking sites as being "offered by a commercial entity; permits registered users to create an on-line profile that includes detailed personal information, permits registered users to create an on-line journal and share such a journal with other users; elicits highly-personalized information from users; and enables communication among users."

That covers more than just chat and social networking and could force school and library officials to ban a wide range of sites, including Amazon.com and many news sites that allow for user feedback and interaction.

But even if the bill weren't overly broad, it would still be troublesome because it is the wrong – and I would argue a dangerous approach – to Internet safety.

While nearly everyone agrees that Internet predators should be "deleted," this bill doesn't address that issue. Unlike the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, which the President signed into law on July 21, DOPA does nothing to strengthen penalties or increase prosecution of criminals who prey on children. Instead, it punishes the potential victims and educational institutions chartered to serve them, by denying access to interactive sites at school and libraries.

It would be like trying to protect children from being injured or killed by drunk drivers by ruling that kids can no longer walk, ride a bike or even ride in a car or bus to school.

Aside from punishing potential victims rather than the perpetrators, the bill doesn't even address the issue where it matters.

If children are going to get into trouble online, chances are it won't be at school. They'll be home, they'll be at a friend's house or they could even be completely away from adult supervision using their mobile phones. Schools and libraries are relatively protected environments where adults are never far away and, for the most part, computers are in public locations that make it difficult for users to hide what they're doing.

If anything, schools and libraries should be encouraging kids to use blogging and social networking services. They have enormous educational potential for such things as writing, interviewing, collaborative research, media literacy, and photography, but even if not used as part of a formal supervised education program, they encourage kids to communicate and reach out to others.

I don't know of a federal law that prohibits kids from playing football, soccer or basketball on school grounds even though there are cases of kids being hurt and killed in these activities. Instead, schools teach kids how to play these games as safely as possible and if a child is hurt, teachers and coaches reach out to help the child recover from the injury and prevent it from happening again.

Also, social networking sites can serve as a potential safety valve. As part of the research on "MySpace Unraveled: What it is and how to use it safely", a book I co-authored with Anne Collier - I spoke with John Draper of the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, who said that at-risk kids are increasingly using their online profiles "to in some ways convey they had suicidal intent."

Draper said that these sites have "the very real potential for saving lives because the first people to hear about kids at risk are other kids." His organization is setting up profiles on MySpace, Xanga and Facebook as a resource for teens.

The bill does exempt the use of social-networking sites or chat rooms for "an educational purpose with adult supervision," but it doesn't define what that means. Does that mean that an adult has to be with the child at all times? Do they have to be looking over a shoulder or just in the room?

And even if schools were to block such sites, it wouldn't stop kids who were determined to get access. To begin with, there are hundreds – potentially thousands – of social-networking sites in addition to the ones that school authorities (and companies that make filtering software) know about, and it's pretty easy to set up new ones from anywhere in the world.

I could even envision someone setting up "a non-commercial site" that would be exempt from this law in a foreign land with absolutely no accountability or safety procedures. Today's popular social-networking sites all make some effort to protect users. Many of them, including MySpace, Xanga, Bebo and Tagged, have dedicated security officers with a strong background in Internet safety and/or law enforcement.

There is also the question of whether the bill is dealing with a widespread problem. There clearly are a lot of potential predators out on the Internet in general, but we don't know whether there are a lot of victims.

Sting operations performed by law enforcement have lead to the arrest of numerous people who – if given the chance – would have sexual contact with children they meet online. But these operations involve an adult undercover officer who is posing as a child. The potential predator may think he's dealing with a kid, but he's really dealing with an adult cop.

So while we do know that adult predators are using the Internet to try to lure children, we don't know how many children are being lured, and we have no idea yet how many are on being approached on the social networks. This might be a good to know before legislation is passed.

Even if the number of cases of children being sexually molested by people they meet online is underreported, we are still talking about an extremely small percentage of the millions of kids and teens who are online.

What's more, when those few tragic situations do occur, in every case that we know about, the child went willingly to meet with the predator, and in most cases - according to a 2004 report from the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center (www.unh.edu/ccrc) - the children knew what they were getting into. Only 5% of the offenders tried to deceive their victims about being older adults and only 21% misrepresented their sexual motives, according to the report.

And then there is the issue of the real risk. What I'm about to say is facetious but based on real data. If the federal government wants to protect children from sexual predators, it would be better off banning kids from school, church, sports activities and being around their own families.

The fact is, again according to the Crimes Against Children Research Center, 70% to 90% of sexual abuse is committed by persons "known to the child." For girl victims, a third to one-half of the crimes are committed by family members. For boys it's between 10% and 20%.

I'm glad Congress is concerned with Internet safety but rather than pass DOPA, it ought to be funding campaigns to educate children, parents, and teachers on how to use the Internet safely - while giving the cops and prosecutors the resources they need to truly delete online predators.

-- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:25 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:26 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:28 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/01/2006 3:29 PM -- Edited by Larry at 08/30/2006 11:14 AM